I am considering moving away from Ubuntu, but I haven’t tried other distributions for years. I started on Linux Mint Cinnamon back in 2012, but switched to Ubuntu when I built my current PC in 2020 because I wanted more up-to-date packages. Now I am faced with needing to replace my SSD which gives me reason enough to install a new distro. I have an AMD Ryzen 7 2700X with 32G of RAM and an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060, so I would need something that plays nicely with nvidia. I routinely use libreoffice, digikam, gimp, virtualbox, bambu studio, sublime text, filezilla, thunderbird, minecraft, steam, Open WebUI and Stable Diffusion (Automatic1111). I liked Ubuntu because it was familiar, fairly easy to customize, and everything was kept fairly well up to date. I am not a big fan of snap, and I would prefer a more logical and unified package management system. I was wondering if you all had some recommendations for me. Thanks
Fedora or Bazzite.
Unified package system
Go with NixOS.
!Or LFS. (Just kidding)!<
You might like Arch, especially now that it has installer, I wouldn’t consider it hard to setup and use. Also you’re not even new to Linux so youll handle it easily
Debian.
You know
apt
, it will be familiar, but more raw for you to play with, and no snap.A fun activity would be to set up
dotfiles
of your home directory, and then write a set of scripts to do all of the things you would typically do to set things up (software,gsettings
preferences, etc).Then, if you decide to change from Debian to something else based on Debian (sooo many distros) in the future, your scripts will work out of the box getting you set up in minutes.
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I recommend Fedora. It’s user friendly and nice to use.
Yeah considering OP already uses mostly open software and prefers things to be up to date I think fedora is a good option. If they use gnome then flatpak might suit them nicely, it has matured nicely. Only thing is that it won’t be as familiar to them coming from Ubuntu and its derivatives, but I don’t think it’s that tough of a transition to make.
Fedora is usually pretty good at being up to date while still user friendly and still operate like a classic distro. The immutable ones are also pretty nice if you’re into that. Otherwise you could consider Arch or Endeavour. If you’ve been using Linux since 2012, an Arch distro’s probably easier than you think.
I switched to Arch in 2011 after being on Ubuntu since 7.04 and the Unity disaster… and I’m still running that install to this day. I’m typing this from it!
In practice I’ve found Arch’s always up to date packages to be less of a hassle than dealing with dependency hell of carefully pulling newer dependencies when you inevitably need a newer feature of a package. Worst case there’s containers for the few stubborn “only works on this exact version of Ubuntu” cases but it’s pretty rare.
Stay with Ubuntu LTS or go Debian.
Debian always wins.
This.
Linux Mint Debian Edition. You can use Debian testing repos for more updated packages and kernels if you want. Also, it seems like more and more applications are adopting flatpak anyway.
Since you have experience on Linux, why not Arch Linux. It’s not that hard-to-master-install from the past since “archinstall” exists.
And you get a system with all your wishes of combinations that exist in the linux world. And the best well documented Wiki from Arch stays at your side.
Alternative would be fedora, easiest installer of all. And their logic of “just all firmwares, can’t fail” should help nvidia users out-of-the-box.
+1 for Arch… I use EndeavourOS.
… btw
I’m using OpenSuSE Tumbleweed and can recommend that. It’s user friendly, especially with the powerful Yast tools for configuring a lot of things. I’m using KDE but it does have a good Gnome spin.
All of the tools you’re using will work without issue, and I have an Nvidia 3070 which I’ve set up without issue with the official Nvidia drivers. I game a fair bit with steam and everything works well.
If you’re not a fan of rolling release then OpenSuSE Leap is the same but point release.
OpenSuSE has good official repos and large variety of community repos, plus Flatpak if you need it. The only difficulties I’ve had are with Python which is installed in a weird way to allow multiple versions to be installed for devs - it can be fiddly installing python software dependencies into the right places, especially if they want you using pip.
Also you said you use VirtualBox - I used to use it but have switched to KVM and strongly recommend it. Guest systems - particularly Linux guests - work better in KVM. Worth exploring in your next system - in OpenSuSE it’s been a doddle to set up but should be in most systems.
I see people recommending immutable desktops - I’d be cautious about switching your desktop to that if you don’t have experience of that kind of system. They have strengths but definite drawbacks too. I’d try another distro not too disimilar to Ubuntu before exploring the world of immutable distros.
Maybe try an immutable system in a Virutal machine. I’ve played a bit with them and they’ve not been for me - too locked down and if you like to tinker or try niche things you’ll find yourself fighting the OS. Also Flatpak is convenient but it’s not the ideal or most secure way to be running all your software, and lots of software isn’t available as Flatpak.
And for Nix, it is very good but can be used on many distros. You can get another traditional distro and try it out - if you like it by all means switch to NixOS but you don’t have to use NixOS to use Nix. Again it seems too big of a leap to go all in to that on your main desktop. I’d make a smaller change unless you’re open to reinstalling your main desktop a few times trialling bigger shifts.
OpenSUSE doesn’t get recommended enough. Great distro I’ve settled with permanently after trying all the popular ones.
I can wholeheartly recommend you either Bazzite or Aurora / Bluefin.
All three are pretty much the exact same under the hood (Fedora Atomic). They are from the uBlue-Project and focus A LOT on user friendliness, hardware enablement and a “boring” (just works) experience.
Bazzite is more meant for gaming, and Aurora and Bluefin are more for general use, but you can of course use them totally interchangeably. You can even try out one, and if you don’t like it as much, you can rebase to another variant with just one command.
The cool thing about them is that the Nvidia drivers are already baked into the image if you choose the Nvidia option on the download page.
This means, that you probably won’t encounter any breakages, and even if you do, you don’t have to fix them on your own. If your setup breaks, every one else’s will break too, because the non-user-facing part of the OS is the same everywhere, and the devs will fix it very rapidly. In the meantime, you can just select the image from yesterday, where everything still worked, and continue with your stuff for the next few hours :)
I’ve never encountered such a chill distro in my Linux journey yet!
Thank you very much for the recommendations! Out of curiosity, what are the benefits of using say bluefin over just plain fedora? I should also add that I prefer a long term support installation because I don’t reinstall very often. Thanks again
Out of curiosity, what are the benefits of using say bluefin over just plain fedora?
Let’s say we compare regular Fedora (Workstation) or KDE spin with Vanilla Silverblue or Kinoite (Atomic).
Fedora Atomic is the newest generation of Linux, as some people call it.
It is a bit similar to how Android works. Basically, the core operating system is “locked up”, and everything you do is done as normal user, including app installations.
Therefore, you have a “you” section, with all Flatpak apps and cat videos, and a “OS” part, which you don’t have to care about.Of course this is still Linux, and you have full sudo permissions and can still install all software on the host system, e.g. Nvidia drivers. Upstream Fedora Atomic is good, but has some minor flaws, like users having to install said Nvidia drivers or codecs manually.
uBlue (Bazzite, Bluefin, etc.) basically take the upstream image and rebuild it with a lot of tweaks and optimizations, like having codecs (e.g. for watching videos) already included. They especially try to make everything as user friendly as possible and provide a “just works” distro.
As I said, it’s a bit similar to how you use Android: you don’t use Android, it’s only a platform for you to launch your apps. You don’t worry about codecs, updates gone wrong, or whatever. You just use it and don’t think about it. And that’s the mission. Building an extremely robust and simple OS.
I should also add that I prefer a long term support installation because I don’t reinstall very often.
You’ll never have to reinstall anything. If an update comes out, either a big release or just bug fixes, they get installed in the background and then applied onto the next boot without any interference. You don’t notice it.
And if you really want to switch to another variant, e.g. when the new Cosmic DE comes out, you can do it with just one command. With that, the “you” section is kept, and the “OS part” is swapped out.
And if you worry about being too bleeding edge, you can choose the ´gts´ variant of Bluefin, which is a more conservative branch with less surprises.
That was a supremely enlightening explanation! I’m installing bluefin in a vbox to check it out and ordering a new SSD. Thank you!
I use Aurora (the KDE version) as a software dev/ gaming machine. It’s great!